Exchange Program finds Common Ground for Business and Aboriginal Leaders

Apr 15, 2010


Industry Executives and First Nations chiefs switch seats to improve intercultural understanding.

By Joel McKay

Aboriginal and business leaders gathered in downtown Vancouver recently to celebrate a leadership exchange program aimed at reconciling decades of mistrust between industry and First Nations.

In partnership with Simon Fraser University’s (SFU) Segal Graduate School of Business, the Industry Council for Aboriginal Business (ICAB) placed six corporate executives and Aboriginal leaders in each other’s seats for several days last fall to help them understand the issues that affect their respective worlds. The participants were:

  • Chief Kim Baird of the Tsawwassen First Nation (TFN), who switched places with Ian Anderson, President of Kinder Morgan Canada (NYSE:KMP);
  • Chief Willie Charlie, Chehalis First Nation, who switched with Donald McInnes, Vice Chairman and CEO Plutonic Power (TSX:PCC); and
  • Chief Harold Aljam, Coldwater Indian Band, who switched places with Graeme Barrit, president of Coast Hotels and Resorts.

B.C. Lt.Gov. Steven Point spoke at the event. He talked about the decades of suspicion between businesses and Aboriginals that have crippled communication and left both sides isolated.

“You can take an elephant when it’s wild and you need a huge chain to keep it down. Within a few years just a thread around the ankle will hold that elephant in check, because they’ve learned through hard experience that they’re confined, so experience has been our teacher,” explained Point. “The relationship between Aboriginal people and the rest of the country has been marked by mistrust we don’t know who to trust.”

The program was the first of its kind in Canada, but ICAB President Marlane Christensen said it was successful and won’t be the last. Point said the exchange was a sign of progress.

“The steps that you’ve taken are long overdue,” said Point. “You’re building bridges and you’re creating better understanding and, Lord knows, we need more of that.”

Anderson and Baird agreed to answer questions about their experiences for BIV.

Ian Anderson, President, Kinder Morgan Canada

“…we must be prepared to take risks, engage and park our preexisting biases at the door.”

List the top three most surprising things about your leadership exchange experience. Why were they surprising?
Probably the most surprising part of the experience was how quickly and easily Kim and I got to know each other and were able to talk openly about our views. Another very positive surprise was the wealth of opportunity the TFN has and the laser focus they have with respect to translating those commercial and industrial opportunities into real and meaningful education, employment and social value for the community. A third element of surprise for me was how easily both Kim’s community and my company embraced the exchange.

What did you learn from the exchange that you could apply to your business?
The need and benefit that will come from developing a deeper and more meaningful understanding of a First Nations community that I am in business or commercial discussions with.

Was the exchange challenging?
The most challenging aspect of the exchange was the coordination of calendars and setting of agendas. SFU helped us with how to think about and approach our exchange, but it was largely, and in hindsight appropriately, left for us to design our unique exchange experiences.

Was six days long enough to help you understand the complexity of issues that face your counterpart?
I don’t think there’s ever enough time to work and understand the Aboriginal to non‐Aboriginal business issues and dynamics. I think these six days provided an important step forward to help my industry and me understand how to better prepare and approach business opportunities in the future.

Would you change the time frame were you to do it again?
I think that the timing for the program was probably about right. To find more time would be difficult, and less time would hamper the learning.

Why is a program like this important?
I have always maintained that it will take decades of progress and change to undo generations of mistrust and fear that has dominated Aboriginal to non‐Aboriginal business relations. This exchange was a small but important step forward in that progression. In that regard, every forward step is good. As Kim so rightfully told me, “we can’t let perfection be the enemy of the good.” We must be prepared to take risks, engage and park our pre‐existing biases at the door. These relations aren’t going away, and they aren’t going to be entirely defined by the same business‐to‐business approaches we’re accustomed to.


Chief Kim Baird, Tsawwassen First Nation

“…it was the experience of a lifetime that I really benefited from.”

List the top three most surprising things about your leadership exchange experience. Why were they surprising?
I was surprised at how diverse all six participants’ leadership styles were. I was surprised at how like‐minded my partner Ian and I were in relation to Aboriginal relations. I expected to have to “educate” Ian about Aboriginal issues, but he already has a great understanding.

I was worried that because we have similar views on these issues our exchange would not be meaningful, but I was pleasantly surprised about the depth of discussion we were able to have about regulatory processes, environment and engagement.

What did you learn from the exchange that you could apply to your community or business?
I’m able to apply better knowledge about how decisions are made in businesses, which will hopefully help identify the alignment of interests when dealing with business in the future.

Was the exchange challenging? Why or why not?
The exchange was challenging because I really committed to participating to my fullest, which takes energy that I am always challenged to find. Spending time with a stranger in such immersion into a new environment is also challenging. These opportunities are exciting, but involve some personal risk taking.

Was six days long enough to help you understand the complexity of issues that face your counterpart?
It seemed to be enough time for a good immersion.

Would you change the time frame were you to do it again?
I think this time allowed for the immersion, but was manageable even though our respective schedules were so busy. I don’t know that having it shorter would have provided the same benefits, yet having it longer would have provided for more information without an ability to digest it. I think it was OK.

Why is a program like this important?
In B.C., our economy is in trouble due to unresolved rights and title issues, and we need all parties who have something to contribute to this resolution engaged and active in discussions. Although there may be times when industry and First Nations objectives never align, there should be a strong foundation of communication to ensure that everyone’s interests are understood. Ultimately, this program made me much more optimistic about the future with respect to reconciliation and alignment of interests between First Nations and the business community. My engagement with Ian taught me that business leaders can be extremely creative and understanding and do have an interest in meeting in the middle and finding common ground.

Republished with the permission of Business in Vancouver.